I am a new member of the PAS from Cologne, Germany. In the last 10 months or so I have been going through advertisings of the PAS empirium and other places like Hemmings in order to get more insight into Pierce Arrow market prices and conditions. I always thought that I will have to go to the US to pick up a decent car.
There is a Pierce-Arrow Type 836 Sedan 5 from 01/1933 for sale in a village close to Brussels, Belgium. The owner claims that it has only 120,000 km (appr. 75,000 miles) on its clock. The car seems to be in good overall condition. They are asking 80.000 $.
I have a couple of questions:
Are there any PAS activities in Europe?
Is there a chance to find a specialist in old Europe to help me for having a closer look?
Considering low prices for container shipping: would it be reasonble to ship the car to the US for repair?
OK, first, welcome to the club, and continue your search for a fine Pierce Arrow. They are great cars. I am going to go out on a limb here, as people these days seem hesitant to discuss values of cars. 1933 Model 836, in good condition. If it is a production car, in that condition, and your stated price (80,000) is in American dollars, it is overpriced by a factor of 3 or 4.
That said, if it is a custom body with an interesting history, or a woodie, in that condtion, it is only overpriced by a factor of 2 or less. I don’t believe any factory 836 models were open cars, so that option is left out of this discussion.
You should be able to buy a decent closed Pierce in the United States for 20K to 35K, American dollars, and get it shipped to Europe for a few thousand give or take, depending on how close the car is to a US port, and you to a European port. This won’t buy you a show car, but an excellent driver. There is a 1930 Model B sedan on the internet now, in very nice conditon, for $25,000 USD.
Shipping seems to be a no-brainer these days, I recently sold a Mercedes 230SL to Germany, buyer stated he could buy them in US and ship back cheaper than buying in Germany, of course Euro value can influence this. best David Coco
Dear Mr. Keller,
I read your notice with interest. We have just decided to sell our 1934 Pierce-Arrow 836A. The car is to be featured in the Hilton Head, South Carolina Concours deElegance in November 2007. The engine has been completely rebuilt by Andy Greene Vintage Race Car restorer. It is a lovely car that needs nothing. Personal references on me are available in Bad Camberg, Taufkirchen,and Paderborn,Germany. If you are interested, please email me for more information and photos. Sincerely, Nevy Clark