History needed on 1904 Stanhope

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    Richard V. Anderson

    I’m looking at a 1904 Pierce Stanhope and would like to find out more history on the car.

    It used to belong to Jerry Sechel of NY and sold from RM at Hershey a few years back.

    Does anyone have any information on this car, history or owners before Jerry, etc. ?

    I’d like to determine how original and complete the car is…..

    Thanks,

    #404699
    Bill & Peggy Lyons
    #404700
    David W. Coco

    Interesting, in the auction listing link for this Stanhope there’s a very nice description of a Leland Cadillac! Neat early Pierce, wish I could help you on history, hopefully someone can…

    #404701
    Richard V. Anderson

    Bill,

    Yes thats the link to the auction listing……shows more photos of the car.

    How authentic is it ? I’d like to know if it’s an original body, do the frame and axels and engine all

    belong together, or were they mated from parts…?? etc.

    #413172
    David W. Coco

    I believe it’s very difficult at this point to determine the origins of the car, and correctness, without knowing the history and having documentation. A very close inspection can usually give you hints as to the body being original or not, looking under the seat and such and whether it’s new or old wood.

    The auction link lists this as “chassis 170”, and using this number in the identification guide on this site comes up as a 1902 5 horsepower car. It’s also possible that the auction company gave the engine number, not the car/chassis number.

    The chassis number, also according to this guide, should be stamped on the rear spring hanger and possibly a front spindle. It’s my understanding that the car/chassis number and the engine number are not the same. The engine number should be stamped in numerous places on the engine. My 1903 6 horsepower engine even has the engine number stamped on the timer.

    It is further my understanding that the car/chassis number IS stamped at one place on the engine, but it’s under one of the mounting brackets bolted to the crankcase. I’m sure the current owner won’t let you start taking the engine out to verify!

    I understand your concern and question, for a long time a properly recreated car, using original main components, held good value, but these days potential buyers are very much interested in originality and provenance. Recreated cars just don’t bring the same money as proven original cars.

    Good luck with your possible acquisition!

    #404703
    Edgar R. Minnie II

    I’m no expert on these cars, but to my eye the body looks modern. Is hard to replicate a body well,and it shouldn’t be too difficult to figure it out when inspecting it in person. At the auction price,I would use extreme caution,as well documented examples usually bring more money. Looks like a fun toy,just be sure to understand what you are buying.

    #404706
    Richard V. Anderson

    Thank you everyone……your issues and concerns are the same as mine. I’d inspect the car in person and

    would likely be able to answer my own questions, but……I live in Seattle and the car is in Europe.

    Not possible to easily go climb under it…..Thus my reason for looking for details anyone here might have…

    #404707
    Kenneth R. & Twila Arritt

    Hello Richard,

    I seem to remember that this vehicle was discussed last year by someone else that was looking to buy it. You may want to see if you can find the Blog here on the Message Board.

    Good Luck,

    Ken

    #404708
    Peter Williams

    You could always contact Fay Butler, our PAS Head Judge for an opinion.

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